[Crew] A thought experiment

Mark Gilbert mark.gilbert at psiphy.com
Mon Nov 24 18:41:22 GMT 2008

1. I should imagine there are. I believe one way of protecting Œfree speech¹
is to hide the IP addresses of the servers that hold the data, but you do
have the problem that a routing system can be considered to hold part of the
data (this maybe insurmountable, but I guess)

2. Wherever Buddhism is the prevailing ethos (maybe best of all evils) and
guides policy. As all land has been claimed by nation states, the best but
difficult course would be either to; build a new land mass (buy a second
hand oil rig and move it to international waters) or a submarine/ship, then
install a fiber trunk (or other high bandwidth option). Claim sovereignty
and ask for recognised protection under the Œlaws of war¹ which tries to
maintain a pseudo status-quo by denying the right of a sovereign to invade
another for control. This of course is circumvented on occasions by clever

3. My opinion is the only ethics that should apply are; Protection of the
system, Promotion of non-censorship (restricting access) of the system by
highlighting hypocrisy and arrogance and TOTAL free speech with protection
of offline identity. Free Speech should be totally free without censorship
against those ideas I find abhorrent, even if they are about myself or are
opinion. We should not censor against lies. It should be made clear that
online identity (defined also by opinion made) should be kept divorced from
offline identity by the system and by the users themselves.

No system is a closed system, but some areas contain dragons and our dragons
are protected from those dragons, not by walls, but by hills.

On 24/11/08 14:12, "LSL LSL" <lsl2600 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
> The slashdot article I'm wasting my working day reading is here
> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/24/1326252&from=rss
> <http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/24/1326252&from=rss> .
> As its appears (or at least news has reached my addled brain) that the Sealand
> hosting service has been shutdown I think its time for a little brum2600
> discussion, most of these points have been discussed already elsewhere, but
> I'd be interested if anyone out there has a new take on them.
> The questions are as follows:
> 1. Is remote hosting outside of UK/US/EU jurisdiction worthwhile from a free
> speech point of view. i.e. for hosting or proxying with an eye to free speech
> NOT out and out illegallity.
> 2. What country/principality would you consider using. I'm thinking Russia as
> its sufficiently advanced in terms on technology without being too chummy with
> other countries. 
> 3. What ethics would you apply to use of such a service. Wikileaks and
> PirateBay are obvious discussion points, any more come to mind?
> L-s-L
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